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Friends, foes, and folks in between, Prakash and Kristen are back with Season 3 of Do The Kids Know? 

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Do The Kids Know? is a biweekly series of discussions between community workers, Prakash and Kristen, that unpack race, media, popular culture, and politics in KKKanada (That’s Canada spelled with three K’s) from an anti-colonial perspective.

Our goal is to bring nuance to sensationalist media as well as to uncover the ways in which white supremacy, capitalism, and colonialism is shaping our movements and behaviours. 

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DTKK is recorded on the traditional and unceded Indigenous lands of the Kanien’kehá:ka Nation. We are committed to working with Indigenous communities and leaders locally and across Turtle Island to fight for Indigenous rights, resurgence, and sovereignty. 

Until next time. Stay in the know~!

Transcript

Prakash  0:11  
Hey y'all, and welcome back to season three. 

Kristen  0:19  
Yes. 

Prakash  0:21  
Of this show, Do the Kids Know. If you've forgotten. It's been a while. This is the show where we talk about race, media, pop culture, and politics in triple K Canada. And if you're not familiar, the three Ks is for white supremacy. Not that we're in support of it. But we're here to talk about it because it needs to be talked about. So I am one of your two hosts. My name is Prakash. I'm here with Kristen on Zoom because we're trying to be COVID safe. 

Kristen  0:59  
Sup. I mean...

Prakash  1:02  
And also just try not trying not to leave our houses. 

Kristen  1:03  
There we go. 

Prakash  1:05  
It's also fully like... It's not even December yet and it be cold and so effort. 

Kristen  1:11  
Yeah. 

Prakash  1:13  
Yeah. 

Kristen  1:14  
Yeah, we don't, we don't do her.

Prakash  1:16  
We have a new intro segment which is we're going to allow ourselves to be read by Co-star. 

Kristen  1:23  
Oh, God. Yes. 

Prakash  1:24  
If you're not familiar Co-star is this questionable astrological app that gives you these daily tidbits of words that they called your day at a glance. And often we find these to be hilarious and rude. 

Kristen  1:38  
Rude. Rude, mostly. 



Prakash  1:40  
So this week for me. The rudest message I got from Co-star was on Tuesday when it asked me, "how will you handle what comes next?" Which I did not appreciate. Nor did I like it.

Kristen  1:57  
I mean, do you have a way to handle what comes next?

Prakash  2:01  
Avoidance. Denial. Napping.

Kristen  2:07  
I am envious that you can nap.

Prakash  2:10  
Not lately. I've been having a lot of trouble sleeping and my one friend said I need to cleanse my apartment. My mom just thinks I'm fully haunted. She's like you have to move and... Yeah. 

Kristen  2:24  
But you've lived in that apartment for a while when did the duppy move in there? Uh, when did a ghost move in there? Sorry.

Prakash  2:32  
I mean, you know, my old apartment with the whole like, sleep paralysis demon. And...

Kristen  2:36  
I do. Yeah. 

Prakash  2:37  
You gave me some sage oil. And... 

Kristen  2:39  
Yeah.

Prakash  2:40  
I think I think it's less the apartment and maybe just me as a person.

Kristen  2:46  
You understand that's even worse.

Prakash  2:50  
Yeah. 

Kristen  2:51  
Okay. 

Prakash  2:51  
Yeah. Anyways, Kristen, your Co-star want did it tell you.


Kristen  2:56  
My rudest one from this week, when I literally decided I was going to ignore the internet for the sake of my mental health Co-star told me that ignorance is a kind of violence. And I was like, wow, that's rude. That's rude.

Prakash  3:17  
Yeah, it is. It is. I mean, it makes sense, though. You know, we often address other people's ignorance on the show. But not to really like the news more to like, you know, ignorance to people's differences and needs and, you know, that kind of thing.

Kristen  3:38  
Yeah, not ignorance that's to protect my mental health. Like, I don't want to be sad all the time. And Co-star said, Well, that's violent. Like damn. Okay, I guess I'll just be sad all the time, then.

Prakash  3:52  
Truly my motto for the last few months has been no peace. There will never never never be peace. I'll never know peace. Inner peace. Outer peace.

Kristen  4:02  
I really wish that wasn't your motto.

Prakash  4:04  
Yeah. I mean, my motto is really team do less. But...

Kristen  4:08  
I'm sorry. I was trying not to laugh at you.

Prakash  4:15  
Speaking of team do less, let's let's fill in the listeners as to what has happened in the last few months that we've been off the air.

Kristen  4:23  
I have spent a lot of time in Toronto catching up on work things cause I'm an archivist and need to actually touch the things I archive which COVID made hard for me to do. Yeah, yeah. The rest of that time was basically me trying to survive in this body that hates me. So that's really all I can remember.

Prakash  4:45  
And it's been it's been I guess a smooth probably six months since we've recorded and like four or five months since we were, since we like released an episode I would say. Cause we tried to do things in advance so that we can like schedule in time for rest. But then it's less of a rest than it is.

Kristen  5:05  
I got to do this other thing today. So can we not?

Prakash  5:09  
We have other other paid things I need to do. Mmm interesting.

Kristen  5:12  
Yeah, yeah.

Prakash  5:15  
Yeah, for me, listeners probably know if you've listened before that I've been on this very long grad school journey, which has come to an end as I successfully defended my master's thesis, like two weeks ago now.

Kristen  5:29  
You need to like insert applause and things into that, cause that's exciting.

Prakash  5:36  
Yeah, future me. Can you like put in some some effects here? Pause for effect. Yep. So I finished my thesis. I immediately got a new job. 

Kristen  5:55  
You did. 

Prakash  5:56  
And will be working on some art stuff, some research stuff, some media stuff. So more of the same. Just not, not in the context of being a student.

Kristen  6:09  
Yeah, which is very exciting.

Prakash  6:13  
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited. Otherwise, I've been getting into video games after years of really just like, dragging games scholars through the mud. 

Kristen  6:24  
Yeah. 

Prakash  6:25  
I mean, I still have my bones to pick with some, some games scholarship. But um... 

Kristen  6:34  
I mean, to be... to be...

Prakash  6:36  
Some games scholars in particular. Because, you know, one day we're gonna have to have the conversation about white people like a race playing. But maybe not today.

Kristen  6:48  
They're not ready for that. I mean, I am not ready for that. Let me not. Let me talk about myself. I'm not ready for that.

Prakash  6:58  
Yeah. Just the way I've seen just like such gross like, fetishization happening through like, video game discourse or like xenophobia, or sexism, etc, Things that we know, things that we already know about. But it's like these things that are sometimes addressed by games scholars, but also very much perpetuated by... I'm tired.

Kristen  7:21  
I mean, it's fine. You can just play and enjoy the games.

Prakash  7:25  
Yeah, I'm just here for entertainment. Because I, I watch too much TV. And I just need something else to do. For for entertainment and leisure and whatnot. 

Kristen  7:35  
Okay, that's good. 

Prakash  7:37  
I've also been on a speech language therapy journey. 

Kristen  7:40  
Noice, noice. 

Prakash  7:41  
And we'll see if that makes a noticeable effect or not. I hope so. We'll see. 

Kristen  7:50  
I mean, only you will know. You're the only one who hears the raw file.

Prakash  8:00  
Yeah, and it's, it's yeah. We've also been out here in these, in these funding streets. Looking for grant money and whatnot to hopefully improve the quality of this program, by hiring people who can do this work that we do better. In terms of the audio editing and, and whatnot. Until we get some also some transcriptions out faster. But as with funding goes, and like, grant applications, it's often quite the long time between the application, the notice of acceptance, and receival of money. So yeah, clearly, by this episode, you can tell, it's rough and unfunded. But hopefully that'll change. 

Kristen  8:57  
Yeah, same way, it's always been but you know, hope for the future exists. Somewhere.

Prakash  9:03  
Yeah, you come for the content, and you have to stay through the, uh, this. 

Kristen  9:09  
Yeah. Thank you for... 

Prakash  9:11  
The Lo Fi situation. DIY. Yeah, produced beside a window. 

Kristen  9:19  
Yes. 

Prakash  9:20  
Cats walking around.

Kristen  9:21  
Yeah, the street's right there.

Prakash  9:24  
Yeah, yeah. Speaking of changes, we are also changing our publishing schedule. So instead of having concentrated like, six month-ish seasons, but with episodes coming out weekly, we're going to instead produce episodes all year round, but on a biweekly schedule. So that'd be one episode coming out every two weeks. So that way, you have time to catch up and tell your friends and we have time to, in theory, rest in between episodes and plan and do things but...

Kristen  10:01  
One thing COVID has taught us is that we need deadlines. And so hopefully having the two week deadline will mean that we do those things. But we'll see. We'll see. 

Prakash  10:14  
We will indeed. 

Kristen  10:15  
Because also, these deadlines are fake cause we're setting them ourselves.

Prakash  10:22  
Anyways, so let's talk about what's been the news? What have we missed? What has been going on the last couple months, Kristen?

Kristen  10:29  
I mean, you can't ask me that. I'm ignorant over here remember? Violently ignorant? So Prakash, what's going on?

Prakash  10:37  
Yeah, violent to me, because now I have to... I have to know things for the both of us.

Kristen  10:42  
You do.  

Prakash  10:42  
And you know that I love my like, state of homeostasis or whatever. Like the, the state in which I'm most comfortable with head empty. No thoughts just hot, as we say, on this here podcast. Something that that have been quite present, I think in the news cycles. Something that we're gonna address not today, but in the season, Crown Indigenous relations, right? We've been talking about this a lot. Over the last two years, or last year, I don't know when this podcast came out. I don't know where we are.

Kristen  11:16  
It's okay. It's okay. Smoothly move on.

Prakash  11:19  
In the last few seasons, we've been talking a lot about issues facing Indigenous communities in Canada. And I think we're going to sort of keep this same interest. I think, really, we're going to look very closely at how the Crown so like, the Canadian government has really been responding to the injustices that they themselves are perpetuating. 

Kristen  11:42  
With further injustices. Yeah. 

Prakash  11:45  
Yep. Crime on crime and crime. So thinking specifically about what's been going on with Wet'suwet'en. There was a protest in Montreal on Sunday, a few days ago, from the time that we're recording. I wasn't there, I had to work in person. But a friend who was there shout out to you, Stephanie, if you're listening. The incredible number of police who are there in like full ride gear like threatening people with something that was either mace or or pepper spray, or something just like or tear gas or something, it's just...

Kristen  12:17  
I... Abolish the police.

Prakash  12:20  
And then we're going to have to continue having this conversation about how like, separate municipal and provincial police-es police forces. This protest is, you know, really in support of what's happening in, in British Columbia, right? Like, truly the other side of Canada. And yet, cops here are just like so inherently threatened by what this movement is proposing that like that we all know, right? Like it's becoming more and more apparent, even people who are not, you know, spending time really deep in this discourse, that cops are not doing the work of protecting this nation. That instead, they are really only here to protect the interests of the wealth... I mean, the nation meaning the citizenry, not...

Kristen  13:09  
Okay, I'm like, please clarify. Because they are actually protecting the colonial nation. That is their job.

Prakash  13:15  
Yeah, it's, it's protecting Canada as a nation. Canada's nationhood. Canada's like, how Canada perceives its own like, occupation of the territory? Yes. Yes, that its definitely protecting. 

Kristen  13:26  
Yeah. 

Prakash  13:28  
But I think there's a myth that like that a lot of like, cough, white, cough, cough, middle class cough, people in Canada have, you know, been led to believe that the cops are there to help individual people. 

Kristen  13:39  
Yeah.

Prakash  13:40  
The large majority of the population, I feel now knows that this is not the case. And we really saw this last year and in 2020, when Canadians were polled, and majority of Canadians, you know, were in support of defunding the police. Yet, these cops are, once again, these cops continue to infringe on the rights of the sovereign nation of the Wet'suwet'en because they are a sovereign nation, right? Those are unseeded lands. They're not Crown. They're Crown lands despite the existence of the Canadian government, you know, forcing themselves upon the land. I said I wasn't talking about this. And yet here I am. So just to say that, you know, things we're talking about Crown Indigenous relations, climate change, the climate emergency, climate catastrophe, climate crisis, whatever you want to call it, whichever, like, you know, declension or whatever. Yeah, you know, truly, it's out here. RIP British Columbia. 

Kristen  14:37  
For real. 

Prakash  14:38  
Abbotsford. I think so far that the death count is like, not extremely high, but still like that. 

Kristen  14:43  
But the death devil is like... 

Prakash  14:45  
Hundreds of livestock.

Kristen  14:47  
Yeah. 

Prakash  14:47  
I think like close to a dozen people as of the time of this recording. 

Kristen  14:50  
Yeah. 

Prakash  14:52  
These are things that could have like largely been, I mean, truly a lot of climate emergencies, climate like, the climate disasters that we're facing not could have been mitigated. Considering that, you know, we've talked about this on this podcast before that companies, governments have known that climate change has been a significant issue, going back to the late 70s. 

Kristen  15:11  
Yeah. 

Prakash  15:12  
And because of inaction then. 

Kristen  15:15  
Profits. 

Prakash  15:15  
Continued inaction now COP26 just happened and did nothing.

Kristen  15:20  
Oh my god, what was it supposed to do? I said, profits are more important. But really what was... What was COP26? Like, whatever the thing was, that just happened in Scotland. What was that really supposed to do? Like, truly?


Prakash  15:35  
I mean, it did what it was supposed to do. Which was to be performative.

Kristen  15:39  
Exactly. Like nothing actionable was going to come out of that.

Prakash  15:43  
To give Scottish police a job to do for, for those two weeks, or however long it was. And yeah, governments showed up were like, these are our targets that we're gonna try our best to achieve.

Kristen  15:56  
Or you could actually just achieve them. I don't know. Although, there was a lovely soundbite of Justin Trudeau calling Canada a company. I appreciated that sound bite. I do. I do. Canada is a company that runs for the wealthiest people and the wealthiest corporations. It is yes. I appreciate that. He said it. He caught himself almost immediately. But there is a soundbite out there. And I like it.

Prakash  16:26  
And truly, that is how a lot of governments are run. Especially when you're hire like career entrepreneurs, as the leaders of your country, or parties or whatever. 

Kristen  16:39  
And I mean...

Prakash  16:40  
In the US but also lots of other countries.

Kristen  16:42  
Like here when you just reshuffle people into cabinets and positions that they shouldn't be in because they don't actually know how things work or how they should work or even have any background in the thing that they are now a cabinet minister of? Yeah.

Prakash  16:58  
Yeah, I think it was on The Backbench when they were discussing how, because like, federal ministers are also like MPs. And their job is still primarily to serve their local constituency than it is to do the work of like administering whatever department that they're the Minister of. Which I'm like this... The way that we do government is so... 

Kristen  17:21  
Stupid? Yeah.

Prakash  17:22  
...strange and weird and nonsensical and...

Kristen  17:25  
Because having a government that is in charge of such a large geography is stupid.




Prakash  17:32  
We've been looking more and more into politics as the seasons have gone on. But I think we're going to look, again, a lot more closely at the actual structure of how Canadian politics is organized, because... I think the way that it's organized now allows for a lot of things to slip in the cracks. 

Kristen  17:49  
Yeah.

Prakash  17:50  
Or to remain unaddressed, oh yes, or to get shuffled, so that it you know, gets hidden from, from the media. Cause we just we often critique the structure of journalism, but I think also, yeah, truly, like how the government, the cabinet, the Senate, or whatever, all these layers are organized, I think we'd have to look even closer to be like, what the fuck is this?

Kristen  18:15  
I'm gonna need to take a drink before we record that episode. That's gonna be rough.

Prakash  18:26  
And of course, COVID has truly just, you know, been in through the streets. COVID and then of course, government response and people responses and...

Kristen  18:37  
Lack of response from both government and individual people.

Prakash  18:42  
Yeah, and then the latest thing that has come that has, you know, really been in the news this last couple of days has been omicron (pronounced oh-micron) omicron (pronounced o-micron)? I don't know how to pronounce it. How their reaction to this new variant. I'm just going to say omicron and hope for the best. Is really tied to, to that xenophobia, anti-blackness and how a lot of the responses from governments in terms of like closing their borders to, to South African countries. Or like, you know, to a lot of Asian countries during the first couple weeks of COVID, right? Like related to xenophobia with the fear that like Chinese people therefore Asians in general are like carriers of COVID or causing COVID. Like all of these things are so cyclical. 

Kristen  19:27  
Yeah. 

Prakash  19:27  
There continue to be an issue that this is you know, not an issue truly of public health but is an issue of, of like race-based discrimination. So we're gonna keep an eye out maybe have a more of an international lens than we've had in the past seasons. With respect to how COVID and and it's like media circulates.

Kristen  19:50  
One more thing on this list. One more thing. You can do it. I have faith in you.

Prakash  19:53  
One more thing that's been on my mind that we're gonna address soon is, uh, it's related to the first issue of Crown Indigenous relations. But I think that we need to also really look at what is happening in remote communities, in northern communities, that are really being extremely affected by the things I've already listed about. Crown crown-led oppression, climate change, and COVID. And in the last few weeks, Iqaluit, the capital city of the territory Nunavut has really been going through it. First with fuel in the water that people were like, yo, the water tastes like gasoline. The government was like, no. Some safety person was like, no, it's fine. Then like weeks later, it was like, oh, no, there is fuel. Don't drink it, don't use it for anything. I... So it's currently November 29. And I don't think that the water is drinkable yet. 

Prakash  20:47  
And then aside from that, I saw on Instagram, that Iqaluit students like middle school, high school students have, I think, been walking out of school in protest, because of the higher rate of suicide amongst...

Kristen  21:01  
Ah shit.

Prakash  21:01  
... Iqualuit youth. And the really high rates of youth suicide in Indigenous communities has been well documented, has been well known. And yet, you know, this truly is, you know, a crisis amongst many crises. But whenever minority populations are the ones who are mostly affected by these kinds of things, right? Think about the AIDS crisis, which has continued, which continues to be the deadliest, I guess it was an epidemic of pandemic, but the sort of like the deadliest outbreak that we've had in modern history. With respect to, you know, the 1000s of missing and murdered Indigenous women Two-spirit and girls, like, the fact that these things continue to happen in higher rates, right? The death of... The murder of like, femicide, in general, but also trans women and trans people and non binary folks like, these things continue to happen. And yet, there have been zero major policy decisions in Canada that have worked to combat this, address this in any meaningful way. Just like, makes me so upset, to be living in this time when we have access to all this information, and yet nothing gets done. And I also...

Prakash  21:06  
Oh, no no no. No no. Things get done, but not to the benefit of the majority.

Prakash  22:03  
I'm just gonna have to crack my fingers for a second, in order to stay limber, to fight people who are like, oh, but at least we're not XYZ country. 

Kristen  22:35  
No, fuck you. 

Prakash  22:35  
And, I'm like you.

Kristen  22:38  
Sorry. I'm immediately, like, do you want to catch these hands? Oh, my God.

Prakash  22:43  
That's why, that's why I had to crack them. I have to stay ready. Cause I'm ready, I'm ready to fight,. I just cracked my back, Y'all couldn't see it. Because this is an audio medium. And I just have to say this one time, I'll probably say it again, but I'm gonna say it one time right now, just so we're on the same page. But just because things have been worse in the past, allegedly, or are worse, allegedly in other places, because of like x, y, z reasons, that does not mean that we can be, should be, are allowed to be complacent with the structures that we are in now. And if you're making this argument, it is because you are not affected by these things that are clearly harming and killing people who are not living in the same social location as you are. That could be because of gender or sexuality, geographical location, age, disability, class or whatever. There's so many factors that go into how people experience life in Canada, right? Like, just because Canada is a wealthy country, there many wealthy countries or people you know, living dirt poor, who are oppressed by the state. You know, people living in terrible, terrible conditions, when there is enough wealth in the world for, for everybody to be living in a decent quality of life. 

Kristen  23:59  
Thank you.

Prakash  23:59  
That might mean that you as an individual, like, you know, might have to downgrade a little bit maybe like in this hypothetical. But the argument that, you know, people have to be exploited for us to have or for whatever, for the world to work, this is not true. This is something that has been decided by people in power because people like having power. People like having a wealth, exorbitant amounts of it. And I'm tired. I'm tired of that argument. I think its basic. I think its uninformed. I think its stupid. I think y'all are stupid for thinking that and I am... If you try to bring this up to me in person, you will catch these hands. These press on nails. I'm coming for the eyeballs. And I'm done.

Kristen  24:38  
I mean, I'm gonna applaud you first for that. But I think that there's also like, if anyone is coming with that argument, it just means that capitalism has won in their head. They have been appropriately brainwashed in the way that society and the structures that we live in white supremacy, capitalism, all of these colonialistic views have broken rarely taken root. And there are things they need to unlearn.

Prakash  25:05  
Yeah, and if you're new to this journey, go back to season one, episode one and then work your way here. Because, you know, this is the last couple of days of no nuance November, which I saw on Twitter. Which I, which I love, because I'm just gonna... I have done so much explanatory work, I feel, in last few years. And it's like, my analysis has moved on. But I feel that I have to continue to like break down really basic, things that I think are really basic. In the year of 2022. You know, as we approach this New Year. I'm like, listen, like, I'm not sure how much more just general consciousness raising I can do for the people because like, we have to move into tangible political action, civic engagement, that is going to actually produce meaningful change vis a vis like, pushing new policies, pushing collective action, that creates a tangible material difference for the people who are suffering, who are being killed by existing structures. It's not enough anymore, for people to just learn, you know about racism.

Kristen  26:11  
Say that one more time. It's not enough to just learn about racism. It's not enough to just learn about all of the structures that are failing. We have to do something about it.

Prakash  26:23  
And then, these actions also cannot be done. I mean, you should do things on an individual basis. Like yes, like you, as an individual should be nice, you know, whatever, to Black coworker, or whatever, you know, like, of course...


Kristen  26:35  
Why is that the...

Prakash  26:35  
You as an individual should not be racist.

Kristen  26:36  
Why is that the baseline? I'm sorry. Why is the baseline that we're going from? That you need to be nice to people who don't look like you and experience the same things you experienced? I'm just now I'm mad that that's the baseline? Like, that's the bar? That's how low the bar is?

Prakash  26:51  
And some people are still stuck there. That they're like, oh, you know, like, yeah, I have a hijabi friend, like, you know, it's all good. And I didn't, I didn't ask her why she wears it. Like, I think some people are still sort of stuck in that thing. Like, oh, because or because I'm a nice person, because I don't see colour, you know, whatever. Or because I have a diverse group of friends or whatever. Like, you know, I go to a liberal arts school, I'm like, whatever, you know? I'm queer, all these things that make people think that they're in community, with oppressed people. I'm like, listen, just because you know, people who have an identity, that can be seen as marginalized, does not mean that you're actually actively doing the work of anti-racism. It doesn't mean that you're actually involved in Indigenous resurgence. It does not mean that, like, you're actually doing anything. Like it's great to know things so you don't actively harm people on an individual basis. 

Kristen  27:43  
However...

Prakash  27:43  
But if you're interested in the work of you know, like capital A anti-racism or like, if you're really interested in making the world better, it will not be achieved through individual action. The same way that you as an individual recycling will not, will not like stop the, the extractive industries that create plastics or whatever. Like, it really takes collective action, like all of us, as a public, as a population need to be like, listen, government, you respond to us. You cannot continue to build pipelines through Indigenous lands. You cannot, you actually cannot like stop journalists from doing their job when they're trying to expose your like malpractices. You know? Like, we, like we have to stop just like hoping that our individual vote will vote in a politician who will do this work for us. Like that's not, clearly that's, that is like not that has not been working. We have been talking about it truly, since government was founded, right? Like people, you know, time immemorial, have been like, listen, this is not it. And yet, I'm like, I want to just like take the entire, like western population, people who are like this engaged, interested, shake them like by their shoulders be like, what is it going to take? Like, what do I have to do to get you to understand that your individual action, your individual political alignment, like, I don't care if you think that you're communist. Like, if you're not working toward that communist future, by like, actively engaging in civil society, to change, like, the structures in which you live, you work, you like, go to school and whatever. Like, if you're not getting involved in like, your local union, if you belong to one, like, the, all the tools out there for you to create meaningful change in your community... Like again, you, as an individual, will not be able to change the world but you can start doing collective action with a group of friends, with a group that you're already involved in. Like, we do not live in silos. Like you even us people who like do not leave their house. I mean, I do. Kristen, as someone who doesn't leave her house very often, like, are still involved in community, in collective action, in organizing. And I think that, that that needs to be that, that is going to be the crux of this season. To really like hopefully shape the listenership that has now been involved the last year or two of learning, into acting. I think I'm going to leave it there for this episode.

Kristen  30:11  
Alright. I mean, I think that was lovely.

Prakash  30:16  
And with that, we will see you in two weeks. 

Kristen  30:19  
Oh shit, yeah. 

Prakash  30:20  
Until then...

Both  30:21  
Stay in the know. Bye.

Kristen  30:30  
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