...What Makes "Good" TV? (Part 2)

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We finish the list of 5 "perfect" shows we would teach in a class and end with some honourable mentions we think you should check out. Got recommendations for us? Let us know by social media or email! Discussion inspired by this tweet.

Previous episode featuring Bhan: S1E14 ...About Third Culture?

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Transcript

Prakash  0:15  
Hey kids, welcome back to Do the Kids Know? This is the show where we talk about race, media, politics, and pop culture, in triple K Canada. I'm one of two hosts Prakash and on my screen is Kristen, host number two. 

Kristen  0:30  
Hello. 

Prakash  0:31  
And today, we are continuing our discussion about sort of what are our, quote unquote five perfect TV shows. We were like following this Twitter trend. And I will link in the show notes if you want to follow along with what others have said, but you should listen to part one first from two weeks ago. And then here we are continuing our list. So we got to the top three, last time, last episode, and today we will finish off with our last two and then we will add in some honourable mentions. And then we will close the episode. Also, if you are not subscribed to the newsletter, you should subscribe because I think two months ago, whatever at the end of the first quarter. I think in April. I had tabulated a list of all the media that I've consumed within those first few months of the year. So if you're, you know, interested in media criticism, oh. If you are interested in media criticism or what we have to say about things, you should subscribe at tinyletter.com/dothekidsknow. Ding. Okay, plug over. Let's start with our co-star reads. Kristen, do you want to start us off with what co-star told you?

Kristen  1:47  
Yeah. Yeah, I'll do that. So last week, col-star, col- Oh my god.

Prakash  1:53  
Col-star? Is that one of the new mumble rappers?

Kristen  1:57  
I guess? I guess. Oh, my God. Okay. Last week, co-star told me that my heart is filled with longing and fear. Which is just lovely. Longing for what? I'm not sure. Fear of what? I'm not sure either. Unless we mean like longing for a body that is not chronically ill. Sure. That would be lovely. 

Prakash  2:25  
That would be nice. 

Kristen  2:26  
Yeah, that would be great. I don't know what I'm fearful of. The outside? People? People pretending COVID doesn't exist? Maybe that. You know what? I take it back. I do understand. Okay, co-star. Yeah, I am filled with longing for a new body and fear of dumb people. Yeah. True.

Prakash  2:42  
I don't think that's what they were going for but all right. You know, open to interpretation, I guess. 

Kristen  2:47  
Yeah. Those are the conclusions I've drawn. So... What did co-star tell you?

Prakash  2:53  
Okay. It told me that other people's opinions of you don't determine your value.

Kristen  3:00  
I mean, that's true.

Prakash  3:02  
But as someone who...

Kristen  3:04  
Uh oh. 

Prakash  3:04  
I think relies heavily on not the opinions of others, but like, validation, approval, whatever. Actually I was having this conversation the other day or with friends of the pod, Bhan and Mahy, who, uh, actually I don't think Mahy has been on the podcast but Bhan has in episode, whatever, I'll link it below. Not below what? This is not YouTube. I'll link in the show notes. The episodes that we've done with her but yeah, but sort of like we were talking about, like ambition, playing this like card game that has all these like personal questions on it. But yeah, it's like a lot of my work is kind of like really dependent on other people's like, like receival of it. In terms of applying for fundings for projects, like, a lot of the work gets externally evaluated. And so there is like some form of necessity for people to, like, have a high opinion in terms of like, work. Yeah, like, day to day on the street or whatever I don't think I really care whether or not people have a high opinion of me, but I think also, I think one of the questions in this game was like, what is the relationship between lovability and achievement? And I was like, for me, it's a very close relationship, because I think that I can get away with a lot. This, this expression you're giving me.

Kristen  4:37  
Yeah, cause I'm not sure that I understand the question. Like loveability of you as a person and achievements that you have? Or...

Prakash  4:46  
I guess, uh, yeah. Well, the way, the way I saw that was like, for me like the relationship between lovability and achievement, it's like not that they're like, directly related but I think that I have been given a lot of opportunities and a lot of grace in terms of my work and opportunities, based on my personality that like, okay, I might not be the most like, especially skilled at a task, or efficient. But I am a pleasure to work with, to most people. If you like talking, I'm a pleasure to work with. If you do not, then probably not. But given that I work in the creative fields, I think people like to, yeah, have, like, more of a close, you know, I think for a lot of the work I do, which is very creative, very group-oriented, is helpful to work with someone work with people who are in like, I think open up like fun, easy to work with. So I think that, yeah, because I'm easy to work with, I get away with taking like three times the length of, you know, a timeline or whatever. Anyway, all this to say that, I think that yeah, my lovability has, like, given me like, a lot of leeway to do things which has, which has led to having had achievements. I see you not buying it, it's fine. We can move on. 

Kristen  6:09  
I'm really not. I'm not buying it at all. I literally, the question in my head was, Do you want me to respond to that? Or are you gonna move on?

Prakash  6:16  
No, we can move on. It's fine. 

Kristen  6:17  
Okay, great. Cause I was about to tear you a new one, but it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I'll just suck it back in. It's fine.

Prakash  6:25  
Co-star telling me opinions don't matter, but I'm like, I have to disagree. And you have to disagree with me disagreeing and it's fine. It is what it is.

Kristen  6:32  
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with you disagreeing. I disagree with you thinking that the only reason that you are given leeway in things and that you can achieve things is because people like to be around you. What the fuck?

Prakash  6:47  
I don't think its the only reason, but I will say... 

Kristen  6:50  
It's the reason you just gave me. You spent however many minutes talking about. 

Prakash  6:54  
I will say, I think it has been very helpful. Like I think I have seen examples where people who are more difficult to work with, who might be like better at their jobs have not been afforded the same kinds of opportunities. I continue to like be offered things when I'm like, I have like never shown that I can do this before. Anyway, we'll, I can, I can see your face. We will move on. And I will, I will work on myself and we will reconvene in a year from now.

Kristen  7:29  
Okay. 

Prakash  7:30  
Anyway so... 

Kristen  7:31  
That's fine. Okay, so we're gonna bring it, bring it back to that Twitter thread to our perfect shows caveat that there is no definition of perfect, we are defining it as we go. So again, this is part two. So to refresh all of you who did listen to part one, the shows that we have listed so far as like being worthy of being taught in some sort of course that would be, we would teach is a curated list of Star Trek episodes. You said Insecure. I can remember, it literally just happened. And my brain was like what happened after we talked about Star Trek. Okay, so Star Trek, and Insecure... Oh, my God, what did I say? Killing Eve, I said! Oh, my God.

Prakash  8:20  
I was like, what did you say? Something about crime but it wasn't the true crime.

Kristen  8:24  
It wasn't about actually crime. It was because of the acting and the plot and the like, the things that happen below the dialogue, under the dialogue, around the dialogue, anyway, it's fine. So that leads us to number four, also, that this isn't in any sort of like one is the best of it, we're just listing five. They're not in any particular order. Prakash, what is number four for you?

Prakash  8:49  
Number four, for me, I think is going to be The Good Place. 

Kristen  8:53  
Aww okay. 

Prakash  8:55  
And this was one that was mentioned a lot in the thread. And last week, we talked about subversions and how when shows do the work of subversion, either like within the genre or within like, kind of like whatever expectations you might have about like, where the plot is going, character archetypes, these kinds of things, like when shows are... They don't always have to be self aware. But I think that when they are self aware, when they like actively, like work to do like new and interesting and innovative things, I think, yeah, those stick with me. And The Good Place was, yeah, I think definitely, that. 

Prakash  9:35  
If you're not familiar, the premise is that this woman kind of like wakes up and finds out that she has died. And she is in this kind of like heaven situation called, The Good Place. And she's there because she had helped many people. She was like an activist, a lawyer, stuff like that. And she's like going about her orientation in the good place, and she is assigned a perfect match who is this character, Chidi Anagonye, which is played by William Jackson Harper. And so he in his life was like, moral philosophy professor. And so they start talking and as soon as like the, her like, the kind of like angel who's orienting her leaves, she confesses that she isn't supposed to be there. That she's actually not who they think she is. And so now, the show kind of starts off, with like her trying to, yeah, trying to, like play off that she does, in fact, belong in the good place. 

Prakash  10:45  
And there's a primary cast of six characters. They're like four people who all kind of in the same situation, where they're, like, tied to like, not really belonging in the good place. And there's a character of like Michael, who is like the, the architect of the good place. And this other character named Janet, who is played by D'Arcy Carden, who speaking of acting, oh, my God. Yeah, give her all the accolades. So great. 

Prakash  11:18  
But I think, yeah, without giving too much away, like... Okay, I'm going to have to talk about for a quick second, so like, spoiler alert, if you've never seen the show, like, skip over...

Kristen  11:28  
Skip forward.

Prakash  11:28  
...like, you know, like a minute or so. But, okay, I'm gonna spoil in 3... 2... 1... Like, when they find out that they're not in the good place that, in fact, it is a bad place like that really shook me. I was, I was shocked. And the acting that got me when... Like, there, there's two scenes in particular with Janet that like really got me. One is when she is like, they have like, pull that plunger to get her to die. But every time they get close to it, she like, starts like pleading like don't kill me, don't kill me. Then as soon as they step back she's like I'm not I'm not gonna die. I'm not real. That was so funny. And when they all turn into her, when they all enter her, and then like, whatever happens, and that she is like, playing them, playing her or she's like, she is herself, playing them, whatever. It was like, so, like, layers were so funny. And yeah, and then the way that the show like, like, I thought it had one of the best endings of TV where it like, reached us, it was like very tightly written within the four seasons. Ended really well and respectfully. And yeah, it's one of those shows where I wish I could watch it again for the first time without knowing because, yeah, I mean, I still think it is still a really beautiful show upon rewatch, and it's still very touching. But yeah, the kind of like, the way that the characters all have their own journey, and they come around like it was so beautiful. And yeah, big ups to The Good Place.

Prakash  11:28  
Aww, that's nice. 

Prakash  12:26  
Yeah. So for our fifth and final show, for our top five, we collectively discussed and came up with a show, do you want to introduce it to us?

Kristen  12:57  
Our fifth choice is an Australian show called, Please Like Me. We love it so much. Prakash was mentioning in our like, deciding that it would fit into a subversive TV show as well. I don't even know how to intro the show. Because like the first scene is so startling that I don't want to like give it away. But the basic premise of the show is that we follow Josh and his family and his friends through some life changes. That's not a great introduction to this show. You should watch it but not because of how I just described it to you. Oh my god.

Prakash  13:51  
Yeah, if we talked a bit before about queerbaiting. And this is like the... This is ,this is not that. This was like I guess. I think of all the shows we've discussed the one that is like, the only like overtly queer show. 

Kristen  14:09  
Yes. 

Prakash  14:09  
Because yeah, it's it's basically about this character, Josh, played by Josh Thomas. I think he was like a writer, comedian, the main actor for the show and creator of the show. And he's, yeah, he's kind of like, also kind of insecure, like on the precipice of like, these big life changes. The end of a relationship, discovering his sexuality or exploring his sexuality. Meanwhile, like, yeah, there's a cast of characters who are all kind of going through their own thing. And its very comedic like there's this one scene and I think it's like, in the first or second episode of him like getting dressed. If you know, you know, I was Cry. Ing. Cry. Ing. So I was like, this has been pulled straight from like my diary, how dare you? I'm so embarrassed.

Kristen  15:03  
And there's, there's a lot of scenes like that actually, through the show where you're just like, cringe, but like, you relate so hard that you can't look away.

Prakash  15:12  
Yeah, but the comedy is like really commonplace activities. But that are, I think, illustrated in a way that are so biting and clear. Because I think that's also why like, I think that the shows billed as a comedy because it is like 30 minutes. And typically, like, yeah, shows that would fit within a 30 minute time slot on TV are kind of like automatically billed or there used to be, automatically billed as comedy, and then shows that were like, would take up an hour long tv time slot, like a 40 minute show, or a longer would be automatically billed as drama. And typically, they weren't comedies that went on for more than 30 minutes and dramas were often not less than 30. This is, this is starting to change a bit but I guess when the show came out, which I think was like 2013. Yeah, I think it was like, kind of auto billed as a comedy, because it's short. 

Kristen  16:00  
But.

Prakash  16:01  
But then without giving too much away. Like, like in the first episode, it's very clearly like, comedic. It's like, yeah, it's a sort of like cringe comedy. 

Kristen  16:11  
But like...

Prakash  16:11  
You're like, oh, Josh.

Kristen  16:14  
Right? Oh my god, the amount of times you say that. But like, it's comedic to draw you in. But really, like, there's a not obvious shift, like where season four ends up is not where you would predict in season one. Like definitely no. 

Prakash  16:28  
No. Even the end of episode one, season one versus the start of episode one, season one.

Kristen  16:34  
Episode One, season four?

Prakash  16:35  
No, no, I mean, within the first episode, the very first episode where you start off, like on that date, and where it ends. 

Kristen  16:44  
I don't remember where it ends. 

Prakash  16:45  
Basically, you find out about his mom.

Kristen  16:47  
Fuck. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's episode one.

Prakash  16:53  
Yeah, so I thought it really had like, you know, the highs and lows of emotions like, like basically in the first episode. 

Kristen  17:00  
Yeah. 

Prakash  17:01  
And the show has four seasons. And overall, it is not comedic. I mean, it's not a comedy. I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it a comedy. It is like, just a short drama, but with a lot of like comedic elements that like, undercut some of the tension. So it's not just extremely depressing. But there are some episodes. Like there's one episode where it's kind of a bottle episode, I guess. It's like, well, not a bottle episode in the traditional sense, but yeah, its an episode where it's only the character of Josh and his mom and they go on this like hike thing together. I have never wanted to do that. I don't want to do this. But it was extremely, for me, like emotional and touching to watch. Like, it could've been like a short movie. It was really beautiful.

Kristen  17:48  
I think that's another reason why like this, this show is one of the ones that like should be talked about, would be talking about in the premise of a course, because like, it makes you feel things, but in a way that isn't just like, in a way that is relatable. 

Prakash  18:06  
Especially in terms of like, quote, unquote, like woke culture or whatever, right? I think it's.. Especially when there's like, so much, a plethora of content to consume. It's, it feels sometimes, like, awkward for me, at least to like, give recommendations of shows that are like, predominantly white. So like, a lot of shows I love, like, deeply, like, Please Like Me, well, I mean, yeah, I will mention more in the honourable mentions, like this show is like not great, when it comes to racial representations. Of course, there are lots of people of colour in Australia. There are not that many within the show. But I do find that it like does a good job of kind of like self correcting. So for instance, like in season one, there is like a, like one character has like a black rabbit named Shaniqua.

Kristen  18:53  
Yes, oh my god. 

Prakash  18:54  
And then, which is like, this is, you know, very questionable. 

Kristen  18:57  
Yup.

Prakash  18:58  
But then it kind of just disappears as a kind of, like, you know, it just like, they don't refer to it. They're like, you know what? We realised that this is a mistake. It's gone. There is like one kind of like, predominant character who's Asian. And she sort of like starts off with just kind of like being kind of like a foil kind of character. Because it's the dad's new girlfriend and so the mom is like kind of resentful against her and is like also kind of racist. And that character too like, doesn't have a lot going on at first but then... 

Kristen  19:31  
Gets some depth. 

Prakash  19:32  
Yeah, I remember her like I haven't rewatched in a while but I remember her like really developing and I loved I remember like loving that character because she was like, I am not gonna take this shit just because I'm you know, whatever in this like precarious position. Yeah, that's it. Self-correcting is, yeah, kind of like the point I wanted to make.

Kristen  19:50  
Yeah, aw, its a lovely show. Highly, highly, highly recommend. Which I think brings us to our honourable mentions. 

Prakash  20:00  
Honourable mentions. Yeah. 

Kristen  20:01  
How many do you want to do?

Prakash  20:04  
Well, we can talk about some we have in common. 

Kristen  20:07  
Oh, sure. 

Prakash  20:08  
So if you know me in real life, I've definitely mentioned this show to you in person, which is Happy Endings. 

Kristen  20:13  
Yeah. 

Prakash  20:12  
Which was a sitcom that went on from 2011 to 2013. I have never seen Friends. But I've seen the comparison made a lot between Happy Endings and Friends. Which also has like a kind of subversion. It starts off somewhat similar to Insecure, where it's like this couple is getting married at the altar. 

Kristen  20:29  
Yeah. 

Prakash  20:30  
The bride runs away. And then there's kind of like breaks this group of friends. But they get past this extremely quickly. And then they just move on to being like...

Kristen  20:37  
So quickly.

Prakash  20:39  
Especially the way that it aired on TV, which is how I saw it originally, was that they didn't aired the first season in the order in chronological order...

Kristen  20:46  
Oh no. 

Prakash  20:46  
...of the episodes. So you see the first episode where like, the marriage breaks up, and then Episode Two is like, they're all friends. And then at the end of the season they like brought back those old episodes where they're like, still kind of fighting. Just because they were like, we wanted to get people to watch and this is not about this couple. This is about this ensemble. And also for a show that only has like one main character of colour. I also thought that like, yeah, the way that they played a lot of the tropes around blackness, around queerness because there's, like, Adam Polly plays this character of Max who was is this extremely sloppy gay. Which for the time, like 2011 was, like, quite revolutionary in terms of like gay representation. And I've never felt more seen in terms of like, you know, someone pretending like a like a, like a gay male character who was like, not fabulous. Not good at anything. Like doesn't want to do anything. Like... 

Kristen  21:45  
Max just wants to eat. 

Prakash  21:47  
Yeah, he just wants to eat. I was like, this is this is relatable. Has no prospects. I was like, yes. 

Kristen  21:54  
But also, like, doesn't really want any. Like, he's cool.

Prakash  21:58  
Yeah, he's like, extremely comfortable being who he is. And I was like, yeah, I love that. There's also the character of Jane, who is like...

Kristen  22:06  
Oh my god.

Prakash  22:07  
...yeah, bisexual. Even though she keeps saying it was like, it was like, it was just a phase. But then, like, it was a long phase. They subvert a lot of tropes around masculinity around gender. Like, I thought it was extremely progressive for its time. And I have like, we've watched it so many times not within the last year, but it still brings me like a lot of comfort and a lot of joy. And yeah, a lot of again, really great ensemble. Lots of great cameos. RuPaul was in an episode. Yeah, very funny.

Kristen  22:40  
Yeah. That's a great show. Yeah, so honourable mentioned because it's the one that I watch all the time. It brings me a lot of comfort. There's 12 seasons now somehow, I don't know how but here we are. There's going to be a movie apparently, which like every single one of my family members has asked me if I'm going to watch it. And so my honourable mention is Bob's Burgers. It is about, it's an adult animated comedy about a dysfunctional family that owns a like slopshot burger shop in a coastal town. Yeah. 

Prakash  23:24  
Yeah. It's really fun. 

Kristen  23:25  
It is so fun. 

Prakash  23:26  
And extremely non-sensical. Like, if you, I think if you're someone who like, has enjoyed adult adult comedy shows in the past, like a Futurama, or, like, a Simpsons or Family Guy, this is like the kids, the kid friendly version of that. But I think that there's still like, a lot of...

Kristen  23:37  
It's... not necessarily kid friendly. 

Prakash  23:43  
I mean, it's not it's not overt in like, you know, bodies being chopped off or whatever. Or like... 

Kristen  23:48  
Right, no. It's more...

Prakash  23:49  
Things being overtly sexual.

Kristen  23:50  
Yeah. Like, you follow their kids more than anything who are 9, 11, and 13. And so a lot of the scenes are like, it's just kids in the scene. They're at their school. They're playing on the beach, like they're doing very kid things. But then, like the nine year old, rips into people in a way that is just like, it's gold. It's gold.

Prakash  24:13  
Yeah, I'll continue the cartoon animation trend with two more cartoons. One is Steven Universe. 

Kristen  24:21  
Aww. 

Prakash  24:21  
Which was a show on Cartoon Network created by Rebecca Sugar, who I think is like the first openly non-binary, like showrunner to have a show on Cartoon Network. Or a show period. I'm not sure. This can't, that can't be true. It has to be on Cartoon Network. But yeah, this is like a really lovely show about this, like, young boy who has like these three guardians who are these like, aliens from another planet, but then like, all he wants to do is help them save the world. And it's like really precious, but it does touch a lot of like, queer and like yeah, queerness but also kind of like more difficult queer themes around like, like couple violence and gender relationships, friendships, community care, neglect, family stuff like it really like does the gambit. And yeah, really beautiful show. Like 11 episodes. Very quick to watch. Great soundtrack too. My other cartoon recommendation is a very short two season show called Gravity Falls, which is just very fun. And like, very tight storytelling because I think truly within these like, two seasons, I think of like, 25 episodes and you really like have like, get the whole story. There's like a mystery. There's intrigue. There's laughs. Yeah, recommend.

Kristen  25:43  
Nice. 

Prakash  25:44  
Any more honourable mentions from you, Kristen?

Kristen  25:46  
I guess my honourable mentions are more like genres than specific shows themselves. But I don't know that I would want to teach them in the course. So no, no more honourable mentions for me.

Prakash  25:58  
I have a few more. Schitt's Creek was another one that came up a lot in the Twitter thread.

Kristen  26:04  
You know, I was gonna end this by asking you why you didn't add Schitt's Creek to the list. That's hilarious.

Prakash  26:13  
Okay, I think why it didn't make it to my top five. I think as like a whole of the show. So it has six seasons, but I'll say I think really until I think it takes like the first whole season to really like find its footing. Like you remember. So once upon a time, Kristen and I had this job where we would like write subtitles for TV shows. And one of the shows I had assigned to me was Schitt's Creek. So I had worked on it. Season One, but I saw the episodes out of order. And I was like, okay, yeah, like there are like, I see where there is humour in this. But I didn't really find the cast of characters to be like, you know, particularly like not, like relatable or yeah, I think, worth really pursue watching. Even though I I didn't like one of my longest or like earliest crushes, like on a man, was Dan Levy, when he used to work on MTV and was the host of The After Show with Jesse Cruickshank. Oh, yes, always, like, adored him that he's always like, very, very, very funny and charming. And then yeah, and I liked all the portrayals all the characters, but I just I wasn't hooked. So it took me a while to then like, go back to like, episode one, season one and like, watch it through. 

Prakash  27:23  
And by the end it, yeah, like the cast of characters. Like the whole town, everything becomes like really, like wholesome, heartfelt loved it a lot. But I think because of the kind of like rocky start in the beginning, especially with respect to some of the townsfolk, and they're like... Because it takes a while before, like, the family kind of becomes part of the community. Which I guess like makes sense. But yeah, I think it's like harder to watch some of those early episodes. While I think it is a part of the story. I think it took a little bit too long, like knowing where it ended up, I think it took a little bit too long to get there. 

Prakash  28:00  
There are quite a number of like recurring background characters. And given how much time they had to really explore the show. I think that there were like, quite a few of them who are like not really given their dues to really, like, have more of a story. Especially like, there are only two that I recall, who are like racialized and like while they are like funny characters, they have like some of the like least recognisable backgrounds. But yeah, it's one of my top comfort shows. And there was like a documentary making of the last season. I watched it twice, when I rewatched the show, like I watched the documentary and I cried both times, several times, within that 40 minutes and I...

Kristen  28:41  
Yeah. 

Prakash  28:41  
...never cry.

Kristen  28:41  
That's why I was like, why is this not on the list but I'll wait. Cause things that make you cry are few and far between.

Prakash  28:52  
So in terms of acting chops big honourable mention to Orphan Black.

Kristen  28:56  
Oh shit. 

Prakash  28:56  
Which, if you've never seen it, is a Canadian production, starring Tatiana Maslany as like 40 characters. It's, it's ridiculous.

Kristen  29:03  
I forgot about that show. She's amazing in that show.

Prakash  29:07  
Yeah, it also didn't make my top five just because I think also, yeah, similarly, like, I think it took too long to tell the story. And then there are some seasons that like are basically like not that integral to the plot. So the overall plot and I think it could have been tighter. And that's probably do not really to the writing necessarily, but due to like, the way that TV production gets made. 

Kristen  29:30  
Right.

Prakash  29:30  
And like yeah, having to like prolong things sometimes due to like having like yeah, sometimes you don't often have the choice whether or not you want to renew or not. Like you might want to add next season but they renew for more, like three seasons so you have to find a way to pull the story. But like yeah, Tatiana Maslany playing clones, playing clones, like it's...

Kristen  29:51  
It was amazing.

Prakash  29:52  
It's wild. 

Both  29:53  
Yeah. 

Prakash  29:54  
Highly recommend that as well. I think that there's a lot to...

Kristen  29:58  
Unpack?

Prakash  29:58  
...kind of like, yeah, I think discuss within the scope of that show. And my very last honourable mention goes to another Canadian production, which is the show Sort Of on CBC. 

Kristen  30:14  
Oh. 

Prakash  30:14  
And if you've not seen this.

Kristen  30:15  
No, not yet. 

Prakash  30:15  
It's a very short eight episode series. Again, similar to Please Like Me. I think pulled from the pages of my diary and I'm like, wow, where am I? My residuals, my royalties for this. But you follow this Pakistani Canadian gender non-conforming character named Sabi, played by Bilal Baeg, and it's like very Toronto. Like, which I mean, I love seeing Toronto in movies I just like when something or someone in Toronto you can see some of like, I think that there is some kind of there is a kind of, like very specific Toronto cultural landscape that is like familiar. And so this character like gets the opportunity to leave Toronto to like explore like an artistic opportunity, or stay to continue working in like domestic work with this family that they're really connected to. And so while they, this is something on that show, that's kind of like Please Like ME, where it has this sort of like dual shift where you expect it to be a comedy but it's not. But I think it explores a lot of like really interesting and difficult subject matter in a way that is like dealt with with a lot of I think generosity and care and  I think they managed to really do a lot within a very short period of time like the eight episodes that it has. And I think it's been renewed for a season two so I'm ready to see that when it comes out. But yeah, honourable mention. A high recommendation. 

Kristen  31:50  
I think that brings us to the end.

Prakash  31:54  
Amazing well hopefully you like this because we couldn't get our brains together to let think of you know more informative kinds of topics but...

Kristen  32:04  
Also you know what? Team doing the best we can. This is the best we can.

Prakash  32:07  
Team doing the best we can but yeah, we will see you soon for a new episode. And if you have topics or things you want us to discuss, you can also let us know and...

Kristen  32:19  
If there are shows that you wish we had mentioned that you want us to watch so we can mention them in a future episode. Let us know. I'm also wondering like maybe we should do this for movies. That could be fun. 

Prakash  32:29  
Oh true. Yeah, I have like several people who are hounding me to update my letterbox which I will do eventually. Pain but in the meantime, stay in the know. We'll see you soon. 

Both  32:59  
Bye. 

Kristen  32:59  
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